Social search? Author rank? Terry Van Horne has his word
Terry Van Horne is widely known and esteemed by the SEO and search community for many reasons.
He is held in high regard for championing SEO and search industry standards as the veteran SEO professional that founded SEO Pros. He is recognized as the Director of the not-for-profit Organization of Search Engine Optimization Professionals (OSEOP). He is known for his work with David Harry at the SEO Training Dojo.
Terry is also distinguished by his colorful character, straightforward manner, sharp wit, and merciless honesty when offering his opinion on industry matters – and I’m delighted he has done so here!
In this interview, I ask Terry for his take on social search, Google’s authorship, and the related G+ attribution issue. (His choice words about the latest buzzword, “outbound marketing,” were entirely unsolicited.) :)
There’s been a lot of discussion about Google’s authorship and its future as a ranking signal. Where do you see this whole author tag thing going?
Author Rank is a gleam in every popular blogger’s eye. I don’t think it has a hope in hell of ever being a bigger ranking factor than it is now.
In other words, if someone is plugged into the mother ship they see their friends and those they follow. Beyond that, author tags are only suitable for use in a very limited way.
The day they make it a ranking algo is the day you start seeing author tags on e-commerce pages.
In our initial discussion, you had mentioned a glitchy issue with Google’s attribution loop. What needs to be corrected?
Glitchy? I bet those getting caught in the “glitch” have a more colorful word for it.
To some extent it is broken with too much mis-attribution. Spammers are now picking up and targeting sites that are vulnerable to mis-attribution.
Google is trying hard to complete the circle between G+ profiles and anywhere they are found, so if a site is not using the author tag they are vulnerable to someone commenting and including a link to a Google profile.
Another way is if an author links to a G+ post. To some extent Google is forcing the use of the tag by making those not using it a target for highjacking authorship.
There’s also a lot of buzz about “social signals” in search and “social SEO”… What’s your take?
Think about it. This is SEO 101! If it is not indexable, it can’t affect rank. Correlation is not causation!
Most of Twitter is not indexable! Large portions of Facebook – same deal. Even Google + is limited by the privacy settings.
David Harry and I were interviewing Joe Hall for our “Search Geeks Speak” around the time he was promoting a social search tool, and he shared with us that he was surprised how much data is hidden on Facebook by privacy and other impediments.
IMO, Social is about verifying other signals like links and general promotion with buzz and legitimate engagement. For instance, an increase in the velocity of link acquisition should be accompanied by increased “mentions” and other Social buzz.
We found the easiest way to move video up the rankings was to accompany it with social activity. It is even more important for press releases and other more temporal searches, such as for events.
What are your top 5 favorite sources of SEO & search information?
SEO Training Dojo and the SEO Pros Community, David Harry, Bill Slawski, Webmaster Help Desk and Google Search – the last of which is by far the most useful resource I have to learn about anything from SEO to programming or the phone number of Buzz Buzz pizza! The best pizza in Toronto!
I don’t read many blogs as I would rather filter info through the community I’m hanging in. I see what’s worth reading or worse, what people need to be protected from.
As a veteran SEO professional, what words of wisdom would you offer the new SEO copywriter?
Concentrate on writing good copy because good copywriting naturally uses primary and derivative keywords which make the copy more understandable/readable and RELEVANT – because in the end “Google does not buy anything! Their users do!!”
Please the users and you please “the Google”.
You are known as an advocate for SEO & search industry standards. Could you discuss your work at SEO Pros?
SEO Pros and the Ontario registered NFP (Not For Profit) OSEOP (Organization for Search Engine Optimization Professionals) have been around since 2003. We were the first organization for Search Engine Professionals.
At times we have participated in the discussion of SEO Standards, and have always had upholding standards a requirement for being included in the OSEOP directory.
Currently we are moving our focus from Standards (basically there are many ways to the same goal) to Risk Assessment, which is less of a moving target.
I’m also a big supporter in the belief it has to be an inclusive process. I like the ideals of the RFC (Request for Comments) process* where anybody can participate by just following the framework.
Any parting thoughts you’d like to share?
People say SEO has changed a lot. On page optimization is same as it ever was and well, quite frankly, I don’t see link building and lot of what others call SEO as actually being SEO!
IMO, it is internet marketing/promotion or the new buzz word that annoys the F…. outta me … outbound marketing.
There ya go boys’! An F bomb – the reputation remains unsullied!
* Request for Comments is the process by which many Internet Specifications and Protocols evolve.
About Terry Van Horne
Terry Van Horne has been developing and marketing websites since the early 90’s in various marketing and development positions, including: working as internet marketing manager for one of Canada’s largest real estate developers; SEO for an award-winning real estate company; and as search engine and marketing manager for ecommerce stores in the apparel and musical instrument industries. In 2007, he developed a YouTube Marketing Strategy for WorldMusicSupply, and to date those 300+ videos have received over 26,000,000+ downloads.
He is currently a partner with David Harry in the award winning SEO Training Dojo, a learning community, as well as three other marketing and industry news sites. Terry founded SeoPros.org, an organization for consumer advocacy and search engine optimization professionals, and is currently a Director of the NFP organization OSEOP that grew out of it.
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Good interview. Has put my mind a little at ease about G+ authorship…for now anyway.
Thanks Craig! Glad you found some relief :)
Well this certainly was an eye opener about the current state of SEO. I think Terry is right on the money.
Thanks for sharing this information.
Thanks Rick! Glad you got something out of it :) p.s. Terry will be happy to hear that!
Quote: “SEO Pros and the Ontario registered NFP (Not For Profit) OSEOP (Organization for Search Engine Optimization Professionals) have been around since 2003. We were the first organization for Search Engine Professionals.”
Actually the first organizations for SEOs were AIMpro and WAIM, both of which were around in 2000. AIMpro (Association of Internet Marketing Professionals) first formed in 1999 though it never really got anywhere. WAIM however ran for some years.
Well I’d disagree because those were more marketing and webmaster associations. SEO Pros is just SEOs.
Thank you for posting this interview! As someone just starting out (just completed an seo training), it’s reassuring to read Terry’s advice!